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Jason Deshayes: What We’re Doing Isn’t Working

Create opportunities for others by getting out of the way.

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By age 35, Jason Deshayes, CPA/PFS, CFP, CKA, was already co-owner of a CPA firm in Albuquerque. He “hit the magic Shangri La that we’re all working for.” But it wasn’t right for him. He was bored with the long hours and felt he wasn’t growing. He wasn’t able to think about his firm the way he wanted to. So he and his partner sold their firm.

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Today, he’s COO at Cook Wealth, a hybrid wealth management and tax firm. Providing both types of services means that they don’t deal with “this weird thing, where the client’s in the middle, and they have to be the conduit for information going both ways.” He says that getting his CFP has “been so enriching.” Deshayes added, “I love what I do, and it’s because I was willing to drop stuff so other people could learn the stuff I learned, and so I could do fun stuff.”  

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ADVISORY & CONSULTING

Heather Satterley: You’ve Got to Meet People Where They Are

Stop saying yes to everything and start saying yes to yourself.

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Heather Satterley is well-known for being an accounting tech expert. But tech isn’t the only skill accountants need today and for the future. “You can have great technology skills, but if you don’t have people skills and those softer skills, that’s going to be a problem,” she said.   

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One of those softer skills that will be a key skill for the future is problem-solving, which requires keeping an open mind to “look at not just facts and figures, but look at tools, resources, people and pull them all together,” she explained. No one can be an expert at everything, so having “a wide network of really awesome professionals” is vital for filling in any gaps “to get the job done.”  

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Bill Penczak: Stop Forcing Smart People to Do Stupid Work

Challenge your people and keep the work interesting or risk losing them. 

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Too many accounting firms have “smart people doing stupid work,” according to Bill Penczak, a veteran sales and marketing professional. The founder and chief insights officer for Mica Ventures said to think about the effort it takes to get an accounting degree and get your CPA, and contrast that with the years of mindless work that many new hires are required to do, especially if they go into audit, he said. “One of the reasons why there’s such a talent shortage is because the market has figured this out,” and no one wants to do that stupid work, Penczak said.

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Besides making smart people do stupid work, Penczak said many of the firms he works with are realizing that they need to do a better job with mentoring and career development, as well as simply having more conversations with their people.

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Sandra Wiley: Staffing Problem? Check Your Culture

Whether it’s clients or talent, if you build a better business culture, you’ll get better results.

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As shareholder and president of Boomer Consulting, Sandra Wiley has been speaking with firm owners and leaders for nearly three decades and clearly sees the need for change in the profession.

“The business model that was built before cannot be the business model that you have going forward. It simply doesn’t work,” Wiley said. “Now, we’re still living in the old business model,” and we have to get out of it.

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When she does exit interviews to find out why people are leaving a firm, she said they all say it’s because of the hours. They need to find more balance in their lives, and they need to work less. While accountants do have government-imposed deadlines for tax returns, there are ways to reduce hours, Wiley explained. We can do extensions to spread the work out over time and people, and we can outsource. Most importantly, we can be more selective in the clients we work with. “We don’t have to work with every client we’ve ever worked with,” Wiley said. READ MORE →

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The Disruptors: Al Anderson on The New Manifesto for Accountants

Change your firm or go extinct.

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Al Anderson has been trying to change audit for nearly his entire career and has always been “willing to try things differently.” While he’s always loved auditing – and thinks to this day that auditing can be fun – what he didn’t love was “auditing by doing it the same way every year.” However, he sees far too many firms performing audits the same way they have for decades. Anderson believes that “the firms that are unwilling to change eventually are going to be history.”

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In an effort to combat the rising tide of commoditization of audit and assurance services, Anderson has been teaching a revolutionary framework for audit leadership to auditors around the world and has now written a book (to be released later this year by CPA Trendlines) that describes the five attributes of this framework.

These five attributes include:

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Scott Scarano: First, Grow People. Then Firm Growth Can Follow

We need the machines to do as much of this as we can.

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When Scott Scarano lost a few good people at his firm, he had an epiphany that he needed to change things. Instead of continuing to grow for the sake of growth, he overhauled his management approach.

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“And things are better now at the firm, because we’re not focused on growth,” but instead on “growing everybody,” including himself, Scarano said. By building better habits and finding better ways to do things, his team is growing its bottom line, and a few of the people who left earlier have now returned. “That’s the growth I like to see.” READ MORE →

ADVISORY & CONSULTING

Jody Padar: Build a Practice that Works for You, Not Vice-Versa. 

If you can’t change your pricing or your customers, it doesn’t matter how efficient you are

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Jody Padar, the author of The Radical CPA, has been shaking things up in the accounting world for years. But today, firms are at a boiling point, limited by supply and demand. “You only have so many people doing the work. And what are you going to do? You can’t make the work up. It’s got to get done,” Padar said.

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The old business model was taking whoever walked in and billing by the hour. But today, we don’t have the capacity. “There’s so much work out there,” she explained.  “I have not heard any accountants say that they are looking for work. They’re all saying, ‘Stop, go away. I don’t have the resources to serve you.’”
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Ira Rosenbloom: With M&A, Nobody Wants a Fixer-Upper

Buyers want sellers who invest in the long game.

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Ira Rosenbloom has been working in the M&A space for accounting firms for over a decade and says it’s a complicated and exciting time in the M&A space today. “We’re seeing a lot of things that make sense, and a lot of things that are frustrating because they make sense, and a lot of things that make no sense,” he said.

Staffing problems on both sides are forcing buyers to be far more selective about the firms they consider buying.

SEE ALSO: The Seller’s Guide to Getting the Best Price for Your Firm

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Today’s buyers are different in many ways than the sellers. First, Rosenbloom explained, baby boomer sellers tend to like to talk to people, while the younger generations looking to buy firms are “more selective in their communication.” Younger buyers tend to be more entrepreneurial, and “the more that the seller comes across as an entrepreneur, the more interested the buyer is going to be in what’s going on,” he added. Buyers are also interested in firms making a break with old methodologies and sellers who “want to invest in the long game,” Rosenbloom said.
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